cut and pasted form the rock hall website:

ROCK & ROLL HALL OF FAME FOUNDATION ANNOUNCES
NOMINEES FOR 2021 INDUCTION

36th Annual Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony to take place this fall n Cleveland, Ohio

NEW YORK (February 10, 2021) — The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Foundation announced today the following Nominees for 2021 Induction:



Mary J. Blige
Kate Bush
Devo
Foo Fighters
The Go-Go’s
Iron Maiden
JAY-Z
Chaka Khan
Carole King
Fela Kuti
LL Cool J
New York Dolls
Rage Against the Machine
Todd Rundgren
Tina Turner
Dionne Warwick




To be eligible for nomination, an individual artist or band must have released its first commercial recording at least 25 years prior to the year of nomination. Seven out of 16 of the Nominees are on the ballot for the first time, including Foo Fighters, The Go-Go’s, Iron Maiden, JAY-Z, Mary J. Blige, Fela Kuti, and Dionne Warwick. Chaka Khan was previously nominated both solo and with the band Rufus. If elected, Carole King and Tina Turner will become the second and third female artists inducted twice, following Stevie Nicks’ 2019 election. If Foo Fighters are inducted, Dave Grohl will also become a twice-inducted performer.

“This remarkable ballot reflects the diversity and depth of the artists and music the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame celebrates” says John Sykes, Chairman, Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Foundation. “These Nominees have left an indelible impact on the sonic landscape of the world and influenced countless artists that have followed them.”

Nominee ballots are sent to an international voting body of more than 1,000 artists, historians, and members of the music industry. Factors such as an artist’s musical influence on other artists, length and depth of career and the body of work, innovation and superiority in style and technique are taken into consideration.

The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame offers fans the opportunity to participate in the Induction selection process with the Fan Vote. Today through April 30, fans can vote every day at rockhall.com, or at the Museum in Cleveland. The top five artists, as selected by the public, will comprise a “fans’ ballot” that will be tallied along with the other ballots to select the 2021 Inductees.

Inductees will be announced in May 2021. The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2021 Induction Ceremony will take place in Cleveland, Ohio this fall. Details and ticket on-sale information will be announced later.

jay - fucking - z.---------mary fucking - j - fucking blige ----------dionne warwick, which begs the barbara streisand question.

all three =

not one of my 100% deserving (yes, deserving in my learned opinion that has been formed by buying and listening to rock and roll for almost 56 years now) even got nominated.

i reiterate:

warren zevon
carly simon
loggins & messina
america
boz scaggs
10cc
jethro tull

the doobie brothers did get in last year....score one for the good guys!

i thought that with wenner gone, things would change....WRONG!

looked up fela kuti - world music pioneer - he might be the greatest world music \thing going, but world music might have less to do with rock and roll than rap and country - fela kuti and not warren zevon - 'send lawyers, guns and money" - seriously..

Just sayin', the Rock Hall is a sad joke. It really just plays as comedy these days.

My picks (as if it matters lol). I always try to go with who I think is deserving most rather than my personal taste:

Devo
The Go-Go’s
Carole King
New York Dolls
Tina Turner

It does. I've been there once and swore I'd never go back. I've come close twice - once when Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson were there, but it snowed pretty heavily that day and we'd have had to be back for a concert that night. The other was last year when they had the guitar exhibit there. COVID-19 squelched that.

Renny is spot on about Zevon. For that matter, how Rundgren isn't in already (along w/Carol King) astounds me. It's their museum, they can call it what they want, but every year the "Rock And Roll" part seems less relevant.

Linda is right - the real hall of fame is our collections.

While you were cussing out Jay Z, Mary J. Blige and Dionne Warwick in my learned opinion, I fail to see how you have the opinion that Carly Simon and America are more rock n' roll than those 3, even though my opinion is that I like Carly and America better than the aforementioned 3.

Any way, I am happy to see Carole King nominated. She has just posted some good quality videos on her youtube site.
I think she should be inducted based on this performance of "Smackwater Jack" alone!

you really and truly don't see how america and carly simon are more rock and roll than jay-z, and mary j,. blige?

i have to ask because i truly do not know, have either of the 2 of them ever had a single electric in any one of their songs? because for me, the electric guitar is rock and roll. and yes, i know that not all rock songs have an electric guitar, but i'm sure you know what i mean.

dionne warwick on the other hand, i question because i put her in the same category as sinatra and streisand, which is just not rock and roll.

The Hall has a lot of explaining to do.

No Nilsson
No Zevon
No Monkees
No WAR
No Motorhead
No Judas Priest
No Love
No Joy Division
No Benatar
No Mott The Hoople
No Cocker
No B-52's
No King Crimson
No ELP
No Bad Company
No Poco
No Parsons
No Toto
No Tosh
No Meat Loaf
No Harris
No Hathaway
No Commodores
No Procol Harum

Well Barbra Streisand, Frank Sinatra, Barry Manilow and Dionne Warwick have electric guitars in their songs all the time. So they're rock n' roll? I'm not sure what you mean, no. The fact is that the hall has been inducting contemporary artist pretty much since the start of it. It has never been about rock n' roll purity. Carole King, one of my favorite artists surely isn't purely rock n' roll in my opinion, but well deserving of being honored.

Yeah it’s pretty shocking that Carole King is not in the Hall after all these years. Saw her tour a few years ago at the Garden with James Taylor and it was dynamite! One of my wife’s favorite concerts (scored major points getting those tickets)!

Sigh...this place is a joke.

But it is given validity for some unknown reason.

And yes, it gets us fired up each year.

They ignore so many genres it’s comical.

Dagnabbit, how is it that Chubby Checker can headline a Super Bowl halftime show and STILL not be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?

carole king is surely rock and roll.

no carly simon
no america
no jethro tull
no boz scaggs
no grand funk railroad

Carly Simon, America, Jethro Tull, and Grand Funk Railroad have just as much in common with each other as would throwing Mary J. Blige and Dionne Warwick in the mix. Too bad you can't just appreciate the wide banner of rock,

Here's a timely article. This guy's worst snubs certainly would not be what a lot of us would agree with. Based on his take on "the “roll” part of the term includes genres like R&B, soul, funk, and hip-hop", I think he is correct that it appears the Hall agrees and that ship has sailed.

The Worst Snubs in Rock and Roll Hall of Fame History (So Far)
By Joe Kwaczala

Also, the Rock Hall has a pretty loose definition of the term “rock and roll.” I get a lot of shit on my podcast, Who Cares About the Rock Hall?, for claiming the “roll” part of the term includes genres like R&B, soul, funk, and hip-hop. But I think I’m right, and it appears the Hall agrees: Acts like Whitney Houston, Bill Withers, and Notorious B.I.G. have recently been inducted, to name a few. (This year’s nominations also finally includes the previously snubbed Go-Go’s and Iron Maiden.) So cry as you might that they’re “not rock and roll,” but the point is moot. The ship has sailed, and there’s no coming back. And honestly, if it’s a ship that’s playing Tupac Shakur (Class of 2017) and Nina Simone (Class of 2018), then it’s a ship worth being on.

The B-52s
Became eligible: 2004 ceremony
Case for induction: The B-52s kicked off their career in 1978 with the avant-garde party bop, “Rock Lobster,” a song so weird and great that it inspired John Lennon to start making music again. After four albums (including two undeniable classics, their eponymous debut and Wild Planet), the death of guitarist Ricky Wilson could have meant the end of their career. But they regrouped for an astonishing comeback with 1989’s Cosmic Thing, featuring two of their most iconic songs, “Roam” and “Love Shack.” And enough can’t be said for their influence as one of the earliest and most prominent queer bands in rock.
What’s the holdup: Hard to say because they’re so innovative and have had success both critically and commercially. A potential problem might be that the layman probably only knows four of their songs (the aforementioned three, plus “Private Idaho”). But anyone who’s dug into their catalogue even a little bit knows there’s no scarcity of really great music.

Joy Division/New Order
Became eligible: 2004 ceremony
Case for induction: When Joy Division lead singer Ian Curtis committed suicide on May 18, 1980, the eve of their first American tour, the band had already established themselves as post-punk pioneers. The releases that came within the next few months would only cement their legacy: their quintessential single, “Love Will Tear Us Apart,” and their stunning final album, Closer. However, the story doesn’t end there. They soldiered on, and although the band name changed to New Order, the DNA mostly stayed the same. Keyboardist-guitarist Gillian Gilbert was added, but otherwise the lineup, label, manager, and even album-cover artist went unchanged. What did change was the music; they evolved into one of the most influential electronic and dance groups of all time with club anthems like “Blue Monday” and “Bizarre Love Triangle.”
What’s the holdup: The Hall has been slow to recognize the British post-punk bands. While The Cure were inducted in 2019 and Depeche Mode in 2020, both had been eligible for more than a decade. The only other act from this category to make a ballot is The Smiths in 2015 and 2016, but there was no representation from this subgenre on the ballot at all this year.

Kool & the Gang
Became eligible: 1995 ceremony
Case for induction: Not only does Kool & the Gang have huge songs that everybody knows, but they released them over a surprisingly long career. The funk staple “Jungle Boogie” came out in 1973, while the stone-cold groove “Ladies’ Night” was 1979. In the ’80s alone, they had eight Top 10 singles, including timeless classics like “Celebration” and “Get Down on It.” But perhaps the most enduring influence is the frequency with which they’re sampled in hip-hop. The horn intro to “Hollywood Swinging” provides the beginning for two rap classics: “Let Me Clear My Throat” by DJ Kool and “Feel So Good” by Mase. There’s not enough room to list all the samples; Who Sampled lists the group as having been sampled a whopping 1,586 times.
What’s the holdup: When it comes to funk or soul groups on recent ballots, the Hall has gone with bands like Rufus, the Meters, and the Spinners in recent years. All three of these (also very worthy) groups have been nominated multiple times without induction, so maybe the priority is getting them in first.

Pixies
Became eligible: 2013 ceremony
Case for induction: “I was basically trying to rip off the Pixies. I have to admit it.” This is Kurt Cobain, talking in a 1994 Rolling Stone interview about the creation of Nirvana’s opus, Nevermind. He’s referring to the signature noisy, soft-then-loud, punky-but-still-pop sound that Nirvana (inducted in 2014) may have popularized but the Pixies had previously perfected. In the late ’80s, the Pixies put out two pivotal alt-rock LPs, Surfer Rosa and Doolittle, that set the template for grunge. Although none of their songs were hits at the time of release, many are considered classics today: “Here Comes Your Man,” “Where Is My Mind?,” and “Monkey Gone to Heaven,” to name a few.
What’s the holdup: Traditionally, the Hall is not great at acknowledging music that was influential, despite not being massively popular. It took the Stooges eight ballots and 15 years before they were finally inducted in 2010. Eligible since 1992, MC5 have been on five ballots and still aren’t in. And these are groups from the ’60s, an era that the Hall voters tend to like! Worthy underground artists from later time periods (Sonic Youth, Black Flag, Hüsker Dü) are likely to struggle, given the lack of mainstream name recognition.

A Tribe Called Quest
Became eligible: 2015 ceremony
Case for induction: Back in ’89 they simply slid into place — a thoughtful hip-hop group with a joyful sound at a time when gangsta rap was all the rage. Their first three albums (People’s Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm, The Low End Theory, and Midnight Marauders) make up one of the best runs in the history of the genre, representing a beautiful confluence of inventive artistry, critical acclaim, and commercial success. Although they broke up in 1998, they returned in 2016 with one of their best releases, the timely, political We Got It from Here… Thank You 4 Your Service.
What’s the holdup: The hip-hop acts that have been inducted so far have mostly been the hugely famous, obvious picks, like Run-DMC (Class of ’09) or the Beastie Boys (Class of ’12.) But even LL Cool J, who’s a major figure in hip-hop (plus Hollywood), is nominated for the sixth time this year, having failed to get enough votes on his first five ballots.

Barry White
Became eligible: 1999 ceremony
Case for induction: Does anybody sound like Barry White? That ultra-deep, smooth voice is unmistakably his, and you have to give it up when an artist owns their sound. Here’s another question: Is anybody’s music more synonymous with having sex? If a TV show or movie wants to signify a sexy moment, they play Barry White. That’s the power of this guy’s music. Not to mention, he’s got the catalogue to back it up. He sold millions of albums throughout the ’70s, supported by seductive songs like “I’m Gonna Love You Just a Little More Baby,” “It’s Ecstasy When You Lay Down Next to Me,” and the iconic “Can’t Get Enough of Your Love, Babe.” But unlike many of his peers from that era, he was able to make a significant comeback two decades later with 1994’s multiplatinum LP, The Icon Is Love.
What’s the holdup: White passed away in 2003, and in recent years, it feels like the Hall’s priority has been to induct living artists. Last year was a bit of an exception, as three of the six inductees were deceased: Whitney Houston, The Notorious B.I.G., and T. Rex. If the Hall is comfortable with posthumous inductions like these, that might bode well for White. However, this year’s ballot is back to being mostly living acts, with Fela Kuti as the only passed nominee.

George Michael
Became eligible: 2011 ceremony
Case for induction: In 1986, George Michael broke free from his massively popular pop group Wham! to embark on a solo career that was somehow even more massively popular. His debut album, Faith, would appear on the Billboard 200 chart for 51 nonconsecutive weeks, including 12 weeks at No. 1, and would eventually be certified Diamond. With that release also spawning six top-five hits (including the title track, “I Want Your Sex,” and “Father Figure”) Michael cemented his status alongside current Hall of Famers Michael Jackson, Madonna, and Prince as one of the biggest acts of the ’80s. He would go on to sell more than 100 million records over a long career of catchy yet powerful music that showcased not just his rich, soulful voice but also his impeccable talents as a songwriter and producer.
What’s the holdup: After a 1998 arrest for “engaging in a lewd act” with an undercover police officer, Michael became fodder in the media for cheap (and often homophobic) jokes. Sadly, his achievements as an artist might be overshadowed by the punch-line target on his back. However, especially after his untimely death at 53 in 2016, a serious reconsideration of his work could be around the corner.

Mariah Carey
Became eligible: 2016 ceremony
Case for induction: If you’re advocating for someone’s induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame, it’s pretty easy because you only have to show the statistics. The same rules don’t apply to something subjective like music, but when it comes to Mariah Carey, maybe they can? Two hundred million records sold. Nineteen No. 1 singles, the most of anyone. No. 1 singles in four separate decades, also the most of anyone. Eighty-two weeks at No. 1, which, you guessed it, is the most of anyone. I could keep going, but the point is Carey has made quite an impact. That impact is felt both through her own songs, which are still all over the radio, and through the many pop stars who have modeled themselves after her, from Christina Aguilera to Ariana Grande.
What’s the holdup: With the Hall, you sometimes get the feeling that there’s a “wait your turn” mentality. She was certainly not going to jump the line ahead of Janet Jackson or Whitney Houston, who were only inducted as recently as 2019 and 2020, respectively. With those two finally in, it looked like maybe the “pop diva” lane was going to be cleared for Carey this year, but those slots ended up going to a number of artists who came before her (Dionne Warwick, Chaka Khan, and Tina Turner) as well as one of her contemporaries (Mary J. Blige).

Comedian Joe Kwaczala is the co-host of the podcast Who Cares About the Rock Hall?, along with comedian Kristen Studard.

https://www.vulture.com/2021/02/rock-ha ... snubs.html

I'm with Renny. This list is pretty much a disaster.

And it's a shame as I think there was a window in there where they were actually getting it right (2017 and 2018 in particular). But this list is easily the worst list they've come up with since 2015.

My biggest issue with the list is how last year-
Dave Mathews Band finished #1 in the fan vote, were not inducted, not even on the ballot in 2021
Pat Benatar finished #2 in the fan vote, was not inducted, not even on the ballot in 2021
Soundgarden finished #4 in the fan vote, were not inducted, not even on the ballot in 2021
Judas Priest finished #5 in the fan vote, were not inducted, not even on the ballot in 2021

So you have a committee that decides these artists are good enough to get in. The fans vote for these artists so the fans think these artists are good enough to be in. And then the Hall of Fame decides that these artists are not going to be on the ballot, but Dionne Warwick is. There is really no logical explanation for something like this.

Maybe, just maybe, I could buy the argument that there was some ballot box stuffing among the fans because Dave Mathews started off kind of slow and then made a big charge at the end. It was kind of odd if you've paid attention to fan voting over the years (the artist that is the top vote getting after the first couple weeks ends up being the top vote getting when the voting is closed). But Pat Benatar..... Last year when the inductees were announced there was a huge outcry from pretty much all corners of the internet saying "how the hell can they put Whitney Houston in instead of Pat Benatar?" That's the one that really baffles me...how is it possible that Pat Benatar does not even appear on this ballot?

And instead there is Chaka Khan again-
2016 - Chaka Khan - 1.16% of the vote - 9th place finish
2017 - Chaka Khan - 2.80% of the vote - 14th place finish
2018 - Rufus featuring Chaka Khan - 1.25% of the vote - 18th place finish
2019 - Rufus featuring Chaka Khan - 3.00% of the vote - 13th place finish
2020 - Rufus featuring Chaka Khan - 2.02% of the vote - 14th place finish

So Chaka Khan is on the ballot and Pat Benatar is not-
2020 - Pat Benatar - 10.69% of the vote - 2nd place finish

If the voting was completely open, my five would be-
Jethro Tull
Kraftwerk
Judas Priest
Iron Maiden
Boston

My five picks off this list-
Iron Maiden
Foo Fighters
Todd Rundgren
The Go-Go's
Devo

Note to Renny. Previously I stated that I don't think I would ever vote for Warren Zevon because I just had too many artists ahead of him. But if Warren Zevon was on this list, he would have been in my five picks.

you are missing my point....i give up

peace and love.

I really though this would be his year, especially with Tosh.0 ending.

Is it too late for me to suggest that we all know the Rock Hall nominating committee sucks and drop it from the discussion from now on?

While we're at it maybe we could agree that Rock and Roll is in the ear of the beholder and that what someone born in 1950 believes is rock and what someone born in 1990 thinks is rock could well be two different things.

Oh, and when you look at an act's body of work, record sales, popularity, place in history, there aren't many that would qualify as strictly rock and roll, are there?

Maybe the easiest thing to do would be to petition the Hall to change their name to The Popular Music Hall of Fame and be done with it.

This year I'll vote for Tina Turner (for surviving Ike), Carole King (more for her writing than anything else), and Todd Rundgren just for having three really cool hits in the early seventies.

A sham.

I never planned on going there anyways,

A lot of names up there that I am surprised to learn aren't already in the hall (I don't follow it too closely, other than coming to this thread to see what strange choices they make each year ).