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 Post subject: Dylan and the Dead
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 4:24 pm 
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Anyone listen to the remaster? I have heard it was substantially better than original. Worthy buying?


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 Post subject: Dylan and the Dead
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 4:49 pm 
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Speaking as long time Dead Head, and HUGE Dylan fan, and having seen one of the shows in 87, I think more than remastering is required to salvage this collection...a completely blown opportunity. Only for a completist (I do have it).


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 Post subject: Dylan and the Dead
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:27 pm 
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Thanks NoURider. I found a use copy of the remaster and am about to listen. I do agree that us "completists" should own this. And I am optimistic that it is much better than the original CD. I don't think that either GD or Bob were at the top of their game around this time. I have heard that the bootleg Dyln Dead Rehearsal tapes are much better.


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 Post subject: Dylan and the Dead
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 7:53 pm 
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You've heard right they are better[I have a 4 cd set of the rehearsal tapes btw].


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 Post subject: Dylan and the Dead
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:06 pm 
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How do I put this...I have the new remaster and the old version, and have played both, but I've never really ever gotten into the album and have no real inclination to A/B the pair any time soon.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:14 pm 
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I don't know why, but I've never been able to get into this one either.

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 Post subject: Dylan and the Dead
PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:10 am 
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Well I finally listened to the remastered version. It is not awful. Pleasant to listen to, but when one is reviewing Dylan or GD not to mention together, one shouldn't be using words like "pleasant".


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 Post subject: Dylan and the Dead
PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:32 am 
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hbbfam wrote:
Thanks NoURider. I found a use copy of the remaster and am about to listen. I do agree that us "completists" should own this. And I am optimistic that it is much better than the original CD. I don't think that either GD or Bob were at the top of their game around this time. I have heard that the bootleg Dyln Dead Rehearsal tapes are much better.


The only thing I would say, is that the Dead were on fire in 87, buoyed by the initial success of “In The Dark” before it became the TouchHead era (I'd recommend View from Vault 4). Those West Coast shows that summer (with and without Bob) were a grand ol’ time from Monterey to the Greek (no doubt being at them, puts a spin on it). The Oakland show I attended (and is on VV4), was a great show...problem was they closed with the Bob set, and the momentum simply ground to a halt.
Most of the issues can be attributed to Dylan, who was in a lost period at the time, a little insecure in the crossroads of his legend and his apparent contemporary musical insignificance at the time. Couple that with his idiosyncrasies of playing songs they did not rehearse, and changing tempos, etc (being Bob) just did not work well. Phil Lesh has been politically correct about it, but he was not a happy camper in particular.

So, Bob’s legend aside, they should have dropped the Bob set in the middle of the show, IMO.

That said, if they put out a decent representation of the concerts, a Road Trips for example, it would probably be played more often than simply being an artifact.

Good or bad, the tour was an essential ingredient for Bob’s return to form in the 90s (as were the two acoustic cover albums he released in the 90s).

Now, if they would also make a compilation of the 3-4 mini sets that Bob performed with the Dead in 2004(?) would be another nice release. I only saw one of those shows, but that was pretty tasty.


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 Post subject: Dylan and the Dead
PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:36 am 
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AMW wrote:
How do I put this...I have the new remaster and the old version, and have played both, but I've never really ever gotten into the album and have no real inclination to A/B the pair any time soon.


how about a song or two :) I am curious if I should buy this (why Why WHy WHY!!!!)


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 Post subject: Dylan and the Dead
PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:23 pm 
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NoURider wrote:
AMW wrote:
How do I put this...I have the new remaster and the old version, and have played both, but I've never really ever gotten into the album and have no real inclination to A/B the pair any time soon.


how about a song or two :) I am curious if I should buy this (why Why WHy WHY!!!!)

Disclaimer: I am not, nor have I ever claimed to be, an audiophile. I compared these two discs on my ancient Sony boombox.

The 2009 version is an improvement, no doubt about it, although the old CBS "Nice Price" disc didn't sound too too terrible to my non-Hoffman-approved ears. I didn't notice a huge difference in the mix. I think that anybody familiar with the somewhat tinny sound on the old "Nice Price" discs and the warmer sound on the more recent batch of Dylan remasters will see that the two "Dylan And The Dead" discs pretty much replicate that pattern.


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