Post subject: [2016-12-23] The Who "My Generation (Super Deluxe Edition)" 5CD box set (Brunswick/Polydor)
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 9:48 am
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I'm really hoping that this will have some substantial outtakes and/or alternate mixes from the band in addition to the deluxe 2 CD version that came out several years ago.
The Tommy and Quadrophenia boxes were most disappointing to me as there were no outtakes, alternate takes or alternate mixes. Instead, we got discs of Pete's demos and that's fine as long as some band stuff was included. It wasn't. These were not Pete Townshend albums.
Post subject: [2016-12-23] The Who "My Generation (Super Deluxe Edition)" 5CD box set (Brunswick/Polydor)
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 10:46 pm
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Sweet! Although put me on the list of those who would like to have some of Pete's demos included witth this set--the "My Generation" demo showed up on a flexi-disc over thirty years ago, and nowhere else since.
By some accounts, the stereo remixes from 2002 were apparently impoved upon in a set of 2014 stereo remixes, although I'm sure mono purists would disagree.
There was a 2-disc Japanese set in 2008 that collected nearly every existing Talmy track in stereo and mono (collecting "every" Who mix variation is probably impossible), but I think that there was only actually one previously unreleased track (I want to say it was an alternate take of "Circles"). It did not contain the alternate French EP version of "Anyway, Anyhowm, Anywhere" in mono (only stereo), which has still never appeared on CD.
Although they arguably don't belong here, as they were recorded pre-Talmy and as the High Numbers, I'd still like to see "Zoot Suit" and "I'm The Face" bundled in with this material as well. (And "Here 'Tis"). And I don't believe that the March 1965 acetate heard on the 1998 "Odds And Sods" reissue (a session reportedly produced by Talmy) have ever been included among tthe rest of the Talmy material.
What else--rough sounding recordings of their set at the Richmond Jazz/Blues festival have been bootlegged for years. There's got to be some other live stuff out there somewhere--some amazing performance footage I'd never seen before showed up on the "Quadrophenia" Criterion Collection bonus DVD. They recorded a lot of great BBC stuff in 1965; not sure if there is anything still unreleased.
At least one list of the existing Talmy outtakes has been published online (at http://www.thewho.info/MyGeneration4.htm) but I also seem to recall Talmy saying that the outtakes weren't as intriguing as one might assume--the band approached recording in workmanlike fashion and knocked out these songs fairly efficiently.
Note: the information in the brackets [ ] are relevant to the take and mix #. Not every track had one described or I just wasn't able to distinguish what they were saying. The comments below the tracks reflect the description that I wrote down as I was listening to the music. There may be some errors as I didn't actually a/b these versions to each other (in the case of multiple takes), or the released versions (except with "Anyway, Anyhow, Anywhere").
1. "Anyway, Anyhow, Anywhere" [???] No backing vocals. French EP version.
2. "Anyway, Anyhow, Anywhere" [mix 2] Sounds similar, but different mix of French EP version.
3. "Anyway, Anyhow, Anywhere" [mix 1, take 1] Seems to be the French EP version
4. "Out In The Street" [mix 2, final, take 1] Different drumming and guitar parts (complete song)
5. "Out In The Street" [mix 1, take 2] Stops shortly after start.
6. "Out In The Street" [3] Stops shortly after start.
7. "Out In The Street" [4] About ¾ of the song, then stopped.
8. "Out In The Street" [6] Stopped almost immediately after start.
9. "Out In The Street" [7] Cool "feedback" guitar part. (complete song)
10. "Out In The Street" [???] Seems to be LP version, but backing vocals are mixed down.
11. "Lubie" [???] Seems to be the same as on "Who's Missing".
12. "Lubie" [Final Mix] Much higher guitar and much lower drums than above version. Pete Townshend would like this one!
14. "Please, Please, Please" [mix 1, take 1] Seems to be the same as the LP version.
15. "Heatwave" [mix 2, take 4] A bit more upbeat than the "Two's Missing" version.
16. "Heatwave" [mix 2, take 4] Seems to be the same as the "Two's Missing" version. Some tape wobble at song's end.
17. "Heatwave" [mix 2, take 1] Compressed mix.
18. "Heatwave" [edit take 1] Edited version. Starts near end of song.
19. "Heatwave" [2 edit] Edited version. Starts near end of song.
20. "I Don't Mind" [take 1, mix 1] Roger banter before song start. Blusier version than LP. Vocal changes and different extended ending as well.
21. "I Don't Mind" [mix 2, take 1] Different mix of take 1 (above).
22. "Shout And Shimmy" [???] Similar/Same as released version.
23. "Shout And Shimmy" [???] Different backing vocals and no backing vocals in other parts.
24. "Daddy Rolling Stone" [???] No backing vocals. Different vocal and guitar parts.
25. "Daddy Rolling Stone" [take 2] No backing vocals. Longer ending than released version.
26. "Daddy Rolling Stone" [take 2, mix final] This version has backing vocals and longer ending than released version(s).
27. "Motor-Vating" ("Two's Missing" title, "Motoring") [Take 1] No backing vocals. Voice on tape says, "Motor-Vating, take 1"]
28. "Motor-Vating" [mix 2, take 1] Compressed mix with backing vocals.
29. "It's Not True" [3] LP version.
30. "La La La Lies" [take 4] LP version.
31. "Much Too Much" [???] LP version.
32. "The Good's Gone" [4] LP version with extended guitar ending.
33. "Anytime You Want Me" [mix 2, take 1] False start.
34. "Anytime You Want Me" [2] Roger sings end part in a higher octave.
35. "Anytime You Want Me" [take 3] Roger forgets lyrics and song stops. Some band banter follows. Tape wobble in the middle.
36. "Anytime You Want Me" [take 4] Roger singing ending in higher octave.
37. "Anytime You Want Me" [mix 1, take 1] Same/Similar to released version.
38. "Anytime You Want Me" [take 1, mix 2] Same/Similar to released version.
39. "Anytime You Want Me" [???] Edited ending only.
40. "Anytime You Want Me" [take 2] Cut short after start. Pete Townshend discusses Roger's vocal part.
41. "Leaving Here" [3] Same as "Who's Missing" version.
42. "I'm A Man" [mix 1, take 1] 2nd ½ of the song is instrumental only.
43. "I'm A Man" [take 2] Same/similar to "My Generation" LP version.
44. "My Generation" [???] Seems slightly different to released version.
45. "The Kids Are Alright" [???] Same/similar to released version.
46. "My Generation" [???] Same/similar to released version.
47. "The Kids Are Alright" [take 1] Pete tunes his guitar before start. Compressed vocal mix.
48. "Circles" (released as "Instant Party") [mix 1, take 4] Same/similar to "Who Sings My Generation" version, Dutch LP "Instant Party" version and Euro & Japanese "b" side versions of "A Legal Matter".
49. "Instant Party Mixture" (unreleased song) [???] The demo of this song, originally titled as "Instant Party" appeared on a bootleg joined with "La La La Lies" and titled (incorrectly) as "Party & Lies". The Who version features Roger on lead vocals. It also features Pete, Keith and John each singing one verse each. The song ends with a "Johnny Be Good" instrumental jam at the end.
50. "The Ox" [take 1] Similar/Same as released version. Voice before song says, "Instrumental, take 1."
51. "A Legal Matter" [take 5] Similar/Same as released version, but with a longer ending.
52. "Lubie" [take 1] No backing vocals.
53. "Out In The Street" [first mix, 2] Seems to be a different take than released version.
54. "I Can't Explain" [???] Same as released version, but much cleaner sound.
55. "Bald Headed Woman" [???] Same as released version, but much cleaner sound and extended ending.
Finally, and since this is likely my last visit to this thread, let me take the opportunity to tell Renny to go and fuck himself BEFORE he hijacks the discussion. We already know--you hate Pete Townshend and you hate the Who, and you've been bitching about these reissues for over a decade now. Your schtick has gotten incredibly fucking tired.
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Post subject: [2016-12-23] The Who "My Generation (Super Deluxe Edition)" 5CD box set (Brunswick/Polydor)
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Stumpy Joe wrote:
Sweet! Although put me on the list of those who would like to have some of Pete's demos included witth this set--the "My Generation" demo showed up on a flexi-disc over thirty years ago, and nowhere else since.
Apparently it will have demos. Luke over at Hoffman has heard from inside sources (Astley I believe, though he didn't say specifically) that it's going to be: - original mono mix - 2014 stereo remix - associated singles/etc - Pete demos
No live stuff. The popular guess is that one of the discs will be vinyl, because it seems unlikely the above could be stretched out over five discs. I'm hoping the "etc" includes the seven instrumental tracks that have been bootlegged.
Post subject: [2016-12-23] The Who "My Generation (Super Deluxe Edition)" 5CD box set (Brunswick/Polydor)
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So once again, we get a big box from The Who with no alternate takes or mixes (maybe there aren't any), but a disc of Pete demos. The demos are nice to have, but as I stated above, these are not Pete Townshend albums. They are Who albums and having some previously unheard music from the band would be more than nice.
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Larry wrote:
So once again, we get a big box from The Who with no alternate takes or mixes (maybe there aren't any), but a disc of Pete demos. The demos are nice to have, but as I stated above, these are not Pete Townshend albums. They are Who albums and having some previously unheard music from the band would be more than nice.
There is very little in the way of alternate takes for this period, and the description Luke was given is vague enough that "etc" might encompass some of those. Again, it's hard to imagine the need for a five-disc set otherwise, since stereo and mono versions of all the released songs fit easily onto two CDs. I do wish they were including some live stuff, though. But this isn't going as egregious as the Quadrophenia Super Deluxe, where Pete's demos took up space that should have rightly been assigned to outtakes and live material.
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I pretty much figured that there's not much else from 1965, but surely there is from 1969 and from 1973 for the Tommy and Quadrophenia boxes. In fact, the deluxe 2CD Tommy does a much better job of this than the box. It DOES have band outtakes.
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Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:08 pm
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Okay, guys, the first post up top has been updated with information directly from Universal. Full tracklist, packshot, domestic pre-order link, everything. It's going to be a full five CDs' worth of material with no vinyl included in the package.
(Adrian had brought us a tracklist from the Amazon UK page a little while ago, but it was incomplete so I've removed that post to avoid any confusion about what the Super Deluxe Edition contains.)
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Linda wrote:
Okay, guys, the first post up top has been updated with information directly from Universal. Full tracklist, packshot, domestic pre-order link, everything. It's going to be a full five CDs' worth of material with no vinyl included in the package.
(Adrian had brought us a tracklist from the Amazon UK page a little while ago, but it was incomplete so I've removed that post to avoid any confusion about what the Super Deluxe Edition contains.)
Post subject: [2016-12-23] The Who "My Generation (Super Deluxe Edition)" 5CD box set (Brunswick/Polydor)
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I have most of the recordings outside of Pete's demos, but the thing that kind of scares me is that the overdubs that Pete and Roger did were made some 50 years after that fact, it's kind of sacrilegious Not sure I want to hear 70 year old Roger doing vocals over 20 year old Roger's original vocals.
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Willy Wilson wrote:
I have most of the recordings outside of Pete's demos, but the thing that kind of scares me is that the overdubs that Pete and Roger did were made some 50 years after that fact, it's kind of sacrilegious Not sure I want to hear 70 year old Roger doing vocals over 20 year old Roger's original vocals.
Did I miss where it was stated that Roger of now would be overdubbing his vocal? That sure would suck big time. Where is this stated?
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