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Post subject: Just Re-read Miller's Born Again Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:27 pm |
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I just re-read Miller's Born Again, one of my all time favorite stories EVER (right up there with the Watchmen). What happened to that guy. This was brilliant stuff with some of the greatest scenes and dialogues in history. The way each issue ends, examples such as "There is no corpse" or "a man without hope, is a man without fear". And he wrote the Avengers, specifically Cap, with such respect. And David Mazzucchelli is brilliant.
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Post subject: Just Re-read Miller's Born Again Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:40 pm |
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Yep - one of the best DD..hell best Marvel stories ever IMO!
The fight sequences are just beautifully staged...loved the nutcase in the DD costume vs Murdock on the rooftop...so many amazing iconic moments...just brilliant work all around.
Very cool to see the Kingpin slowly unravel and lose his cool..amazing stuff all around. Great use of the supporting cast as well..Urich, the Gladiator, Karen Page, Foggy, etc all get their moments to shine.
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Post subject: Just Re-read Miller's Born Again Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:46 pm |
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Missed an opportunity to title this thread "I just read Miller's Born Again Again."
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Post subject: Just Re-read Miller's Born Again Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:51 pm |
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The most brilliant story arc ever invented in the history of ever. Miller and Mazza at the height of their powers (though I have yet to read any of Maazzucchelli's independent material).
I just read somewhere that there was going to be a Miller/Simonson arc immediately following this. That would have been awesome. Instead we got some pretty lame material and the series pretty much petered out from there. How do you follow Born Again? You just can't. One of the few things Byrne said that was true was that this reads like "the last Daredevil story." And it does. It reads as if he never puts on the costume again, and Matt's OK with that.
Just amazing.
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Post subject: Just Re-read Miller's Born Again Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:25 am |
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John V wrote: Yep - one of the best DD..hell best Marvel stories ever IMO!
The fight sequences are just beautifully staged...loved the nutcase in the DD costume vs Murdock on the rooftop...so many amazing iconic moments...just brilliant work all around.
Very cool to see the Kingpin slowly unravel and lose his cool..amazing stuff all around. Great use of the supporting cast as well..Urich, the Gladiator, Karen Page, Foggy, etc all get their moments to shine. True on every point. The nostalgia with Karen, Urich being brave and taking off his cast, just amazing. Steve wrote: The most brilliant story arc ever invented in the history of ever. Miller and Mazza at the height of their powers (though I have yet to read any of Maazzucchelli's independent material).
I just read somewhere that there was going to be a Miller/Simonson arc immediately following this. That would have been awesome. Instead we got some pretty lame material and the series pretty much petered out from there. How do you follow Born Again? You just can't. One of the few things Byrne said that was true was that this reads like "the last Daredevil story." And it does. It reads as if he never puts on the costume again, and Matt's OK with that.
Just amazing. It does though the only thing I felt was missing, as a kid, was a beat down of the Kingpin.
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Post subject: Just Re-read Miller's Born Again Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:09 am |
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This and Batman: Year One by the same team are two of my favorite reads by Marvel & DC.
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Post subject: Just Re-read Miller's Born Again Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:13 am |
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MILFbait wrote: This and Batman: Year One by the same team are two of my favorite reads by Marvel & DC. Me too.
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Post subject: Just Re-read Miller's Born Again Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:15 am |
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Yeah, after Year One, it's my favorite Miller work.
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Post subject: Just Re-read Miller's Born Again Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:50 pm |
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I've long said that this is the best Marvel has ever produced.
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Post subject: Just Re-read Miller's Born Again Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:57 pm |
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It's too bad that Miller and Mazzuchelli couldn't have stayed on those characters -- alternating between Batman and Daredevil -- do a six month run on one book, then do the other. I think as a team they were on fire creatively and the fact that Mazzuchelli adopted a more minimalist style for Year One was so great. It's not like a Byrne book, which is going to look the same way no matter the character or book.
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Post subject: Just Re-read Miller's Born Again Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:49 am |
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Rawburn wrote: MILFbait wrote: This and Batman: Year One by the same team are two of my favorite reads by Marvel & DC. Me too. Me three. And I'll add Dark Knight and Moonshadow to complete my true Golden Age of comix. Just great stuff all on the racks at around the same time (within the same calendar year, I think?).
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Post subject: Just Re-read Miller's Born Again Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:51 am |
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Lord Pinto wrote: Rawburn wrote: MILFbait wrote: This and Batman: Year One by the same team are two of my favorite reads by Marvel & DC. Me too. Me three. And I'll add Dark Knight and Moonshadow to complete my true Golden Age of comix. Just great stuff all on the racks at around the same time (within the same calendar year, I think?). I always thought Dark Knight was overrated, The first two issues were fine enough but the second too just went downhill for me.
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Post subject: Just Re-read Miller's Born Again Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 6:54 pm |
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Lord Pinto wrote: Rawburn wrote: MILFbait wrote: This and Batman: Year One by the same team are two of my favorite reads by Marvel & DC. Me too. Me three. And I'll add Dark Knight and Moonshadow to complete my true Golden Age of comix. Just great stuff all on the racks at around the same time (within the same calendar year, I think?). Don't like "Dark Knight" at all, but I've always thought "Moonshadow" looked interesting. I've never actually had a chance to read it, though.
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Post subject: Just Re-read Miller's Born Again Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 6:59 pm |
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Moonshadow was fantastic, and the collected "Compleat Moonshadow" edition is still the best birthday present I've ever received. Sadly, I had it stolen when my home was robbed a few years back (along with a couple hundred DVDs and CDs, as well as my complete TPB sets of Sandman and Preacher), and I've never replaced it.
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Post subject: Just Re-read Miller's Born Again Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 7:15 pm |
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John J. Muth creates such lovely and distinctive art.
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Post subject: Just Re-read Miller's Born Again Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 9:20 pm |
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That meddlin kid wrote: John J. Muth creates such lovely and distinctive art. Yup. His Dracula Marvel Graphic Novel (Symphony in Moonlight & Nightmares ... or something like that) was really nice too. Not as entertaining as Moonshadow, but a really beautifully painted/drawn book. Too bad he wasn't more prolific.
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Post subject: Just Re-read Miller's Born Again Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 1:05 am |
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Dr. Chris Evil wrote: It's too bad that Miller and Mazzuchelli couldn't have stayed on those characters -- alternating between Batman and Daredevil -- do a six month run on one book, then do the other. I think as a team they were on fire creatively and the fact that Mazzuchelli adopted a more minimalist style for Year One was so great. It's not like a Byrne book, which is going to look the same way no matter the character or book. I think that's terribly limiting for both creators-- I do wish they would have collaberated again before Miller jumped the shark. A really solid team.
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Post subject: Just Re-read Miller's Born Again Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:05 am |
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Hanzo the Razor wrote: Dr. Chris Evil wrote: It's too bad that Miller and Mazzuchelli couldn't have stayed on those characters -- alternating between Batman and Daredevil -- do a six month run on one book, then do the other. I think as a team they were on fire creatively and the fact that Mazzuchelli adopted a more minimalist style for Year One was so great. It's not like a Byrne book, which is going to look the same way no matter the character or book. I think that's terribly limiting for both creators-- I do wish they would have collaberated again before Miller jumped the shark. A really solid team. Yeah when he showed love for these characters ad he could write with subtlety
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Post subject: Just Re-read Miller's Born Again Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 3:31 am |
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Allen Berrebbi wrote: Hanzo the Razor wrote: Dr. Chris Evil wrote: It's too bad that Miller and Mazzuchelli couldn't have stayed on those characters -- alternating between Batman and Daredevil -- do a six month run on one book, then do the other. I think as a team they were on fire creatively and the fact that Mazzuchelli adopted a more minimalist style for Year One was so great. It's not like a Byrne book, which is going to look the same way no matter the character or book. I think that's terribly limiting for both creators-- I do wish they would have collaberated again before Miller jumped the shark. A really solid team. Yeah when he showed love for these characters ad he could write with subtlety No kidding. Subtle is not in his forte anymore.
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Post subject: Just Re-read Miller's Born Again Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 3:42 am |
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Jeff wrote: No kidding. Subtle is not in his forte anymore. Ain't that the truth. I think Sin City ruined him creatively.
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Post subject: Just Re-read Miller's Born Again Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 3:48 am |
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Allen Berrebbi wrote: Jeff wrote: No kidding. Subtle is not in his forte anymore. Ain't that the truth. I think Sin City ruined him creatively. Totally agree. Or at least the direction he took there spoiled him for anything else. Everything is written in that style.
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Post subject: Just Re-read Miller's Born Again Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 12:02 pm |
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And I think his ego has gotten out of control so he believes that style should be the style for everything.
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