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 Post subject: Dear Marvel & DC: Do it. Just do it.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:37 pm 
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Fire everybody -- almost -- and hire the indie kids at Project: Rooftop. Just DO IT, you cowards.

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 Post subject: Dear Marvel & DC: Do it. Just do it.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:41 pm 
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I like some of the Dean Trippe stuff a lot!

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 Post subject: Dear Marvel & DC: Do it. Just do it.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:41 pm 
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Fire everybody -- almost -- and hire the indie kids at Project: Rooftop. Just DO IT, you cowards.

X-Men: This looks pretty cool.

GL: Well drawn but no thanks.

Scarlet Spider: Woof, I think is pretty ugly.

Dean Trippe: I met this guy at Baltimore and he was super-nice; however, that's entirely irrelevant as his art is completely awesome. This guy's art could sell comics to those Scott Pilgrim lovin' kids.

Spider-Man: I don't love the design but do like this guy's art.


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 Post subject: Dear Marvel & DC: Do it. Just do it.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:44 pm 
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Good God, that is all KINDS of cute.


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 Post subject: Dear Marvel & DC: Do it. Just do it.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:48 pm 
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I almost* don't care about the details -- it's the energy and passion and fresh perspective that matters most. There's a reason Liefeld was a superstar despite being a shitty artist.



*I said almost. :)


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 Post subject: Dear Marvel & DC: Do it. Just do it.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:51 pm 
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DC and Marvel do put out a one-off or a mini by indie creators now and then. I'm guessing that if they sold like gangbusters, they'd do it more often. But the indie reading community can be very supportive with their keyboards and can be less supportive with their wallets. I'm not saying that a Super-Scott-Pilgrim couldn't happen, but none of the trial balloons released so far have taken off.


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 Post subject: Dear Marvel & DC: Do it. Just do it.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:01 pm 
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i would buy the crap out of a project rooftop line of comics. much as i love a lot of what dc is doing right now,i think they could definitely use some new artists overall.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:11 pm 
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If you like that stuff, some books you might want to pick up...

Marvel's Strange Tales and Stange Tales II series (Tony Millionaire, Alex Robinson, Jeffrey Brown and other indie creators)
DC's Bizzaro anthologies
Evan Dorkin and Dean Haspiel's Night Falls on Yancey Street
James Sturm's Unstable Molecules
...and there are a few more mini's and one-shots that I can't think of right now.


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 Post subject: Dear Marvel & DC: Do it. Just do it.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:11 pm 
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That cancelled Thor: The Mighty Avengers series was sort of like a "Rooftop" style of book.


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 Post subject: Dear Marvel & DC: Do it. Just do it.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:30 pm 
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Hanzo the Razor wrote:
That cancelled Thor: The Mighty Avengers series was sort of like a "Rooftop" style of book.

Yep, and a perfect example of making a comic for the broader potential audience but pinning its publishing success on the direct market. Fail.


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 Post subject: Dear Marvel & DC: Do it. Just do it.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:41 pm 
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I see it in bookstores and stuff.

I mean, they have to recoup costs somewhere -- if neither the bookstore market pays for it in trades nor the Direct Sales market pays for it in floppies, what can they do?


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 Post subject: Dear Marvel & DC: Do it. Just do it.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:00 pm 
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Hanzo the Razor wrote:
I see it in bookstores and stuff.

Hanzo the Razor wrote:
if neither the bookstore market pays for it in trades

???


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 Post subject: Dear Marvel & DC: Do it. Just do it.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:09 pm 
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I've seen the trades in bookstores.

If not enough people are buying the trades in those bookstores, then it's up to the DSM monthly to recoup up the cost.

If the combined "civilian" bookstore market and the "nerd" DSM market can't pay for the book... well, what do you expect?

If the bookstore editions were flying off the shelves, I think Marvel would have kept it going (or if it was cancelled by the time the bookstore market discovered it, they would have brought back the book).


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 Post subject: Dear Marvel & DC: Do it. Just do it.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:21 pm 
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I blame the hipsters.

They're not allowed to support anything mainstream, even if they were supporting it the previous week when it was still obscure.


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 Post subject: Dear Marvel & DC: Do it. Just do it.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:30 pm 
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Hanzo the Razor wrote:
I've seen the trades in bookstores.

If not enough people are buying the trades in those bookstores, then it's up to the DSM monthly to recoup up the cost.

If the combined "civilian" bookstore market and the "nerd" DSM market can't pay for the book... well, what do you expect?

If the bookstore editions were flying off the shelves, I think Marvel would have kept it going (or if it was cancelled by the time the bookstore market discovered it, they would have brought back the book).

I dare anyone who isn't already a direct-market customer to successfully navigate the Marvel section in B&N and figure out where to start with any character.

Tossing one alternative-take title into a sea of their main product line is never going to work. By definition, it becomes the one that doesn't matter.

They should let the current continuity trickle to an uneventful and unmemorable stop, streamline the backlist program so that every single extant trade gets relabeled as "Marvel Classics" or whatever, and relaunch all new titles, with radically fresh young-vibing artists, in digital and trade formats so that there's no question about what to buy.

No worries, though, they won't do it.


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 Post subject: Dear Marvel & DC: Do it. Just do it.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:05 pm 
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I once suggested they do a series of "year one" style origin minis (which I know they're releasing now but hear me out...) that tied in to their backstock on material that might appeal to a modern audience and number it... even doing original material to connect stuff so that they can skip weaker runs on the books.

For example, with Thor, they could do an origin mini-series that continues directly into Walt Simonson's run on Thor. Let's say they wanted the next run featured to be Jurgens / Romita Junior but wanted to skip all the Onslaught crap; they could do an issue's worth of new content bridging the gap between Simonson's run and Jurgen's.


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 Post subject: Dear Marvel & DC: Do it. Just do it.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:08 pm 
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Hanzo the Razor wrote:
I once suggested they do a series of "year one" style origin minis (which I know they're releasing now but hear me out...) that tied in to their backstock on material that might appeal to a modern audience and number it... even doing original material to connect stuff so that they can skip weaker runs on the books.

For example, with Thor, they could do an origin mini-series that continues directly into Walt Simonson's run on Thor. Let's say they wanted the next run featured to be Jurgens / Romita Junior but wanted to skip all the Onslaught crap; they could do an issue's worth of new content bridging the gap between Simonson's run and Jurgen's.


That's a great idea.


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 Post subject: Dear Marvel & DC: Do it. Just do it.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:15 pm 
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Yeah, that's the kind of thinking that would help.


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 Post subject: Dear Marvel & DC: Do it. Just do it.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 5:22 pm 
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It seems like it'd be a waste to not use the decades of material they already have but they definitely need to figure out how to streamline it so that all of that continuity and nonsense is more... palatable... to a casual mainstream audience.


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 Post subject: Dear Marvel & DC: Do it. Just do it.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 5:32 pm 
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I think that their biggest missed opportunity has been Free Comic Book Day. Marvel had some big misses, sticking introductory issues of some of their continuity heavy lines in there. DC seemed to do a lot more of the kid friendly titles, which are easier to jump into.


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 Post subject: Dear Marvel & DC: Do it. Just do it.
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:05 pm 
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Great X-Men designs at Project Rooftop:

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:17 pm 
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Woof, I think those are ugly as sin.


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