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 Post subject: 1980s BATMAN / DETECTIVE COMICS question
PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 12:25 am 
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I was just leafing through my BATMAN IN THE 1980s collection and it mention that during thw early 1980s Batman and Detective were linked month to month.

A few questions:

1 - What issues did this run through?
2 - How long did this continue?
3 - Is it worth checking out?


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 Post subject: 1980s BATMAN / DETECTIVE COMICS question
PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:35 am 
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I believe that's when Gerry Conway and Doug Moench were writing.
So around 1983, 1984?

I seem to recall revolving artists, but a decent amount of Gene Colan,
and Don Newton. Also, Jose Luis Garcia-Lopez, Curt Swan, and so on.
If you want a lot of art variety, seeing a lot of the greats handling Bats,
this might be an okay run for you. I think my interest was waning at the
time until Batman Year One appeared.

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 Post subject: 1980s BATMAN / DETECTIVE COMICS question
PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:26 am 
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Dave Toxik wrote:
I was just leafing through my BATMAN IN THE 1980s collection and it mention that during thw early 1980s Batman and Detective were linked month to month.

A few questions:

1 - What issues did this run through?
2 - How long did this continue?


Although there were slight passages of continuity between the books during 1980, the books weren't strongly linked, with some stories being continued into the other book until 1981. At first there were various sub-plots that traveled from book to book (Vick Vale trying to prove Batman was Bruce Wayne, the Gotham mayoral election), but eventually stories began in Detective would continue or conclude in Batman.

From what I can tell, the Vicki Vale subpot first began in Detective 509.

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which continued in Batman 343

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And that's when things took off. With Gerry Conway as writer and Gene Colan and Don Newton as pencilers on Batman and Detective, respectively, until the pencilers switched books full-time with Batman 346 and Detective 528.

Conway continued as writer to Batman 359 and Detective 526 (Batman's 500th appearance). His run contained a lot of cross-continuity which tended to focus on Batman's rich stable of villains including the Riddler, Two-Face, the Mad Hatter, Hugo Strange, "Boss" Rupert Thorne, and Deadshot and introduced new villains Croc and the Squid. His run culminated with the introduction of Dick Grayson's replacement of Jason Todd as Robin.

Doug Moench then took on the writing chores with Batman 360 and Detective 527, continuing with the cross-continuity between books and continued using other Batman villains like the Joker, the Penguin, Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, Cat-Man, Scarecrow, as well as Two-Face, the Mad Hatter and introducing new villains, particularly Nocturna and the Night Thief.

Don Newton quit Batman, making 379 his last issue. (He died shortly thereafter.) Richard Howell took over as penciler for awhile and then he was replaced by Tom Mandrake. Unfortunately the magic of the series seemed to die when Newton left.

This continued until the extra-large Batman 400, which was Moench's last issue. Check out the artists on that one!

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Colan left Detective with issue 545, and was replaced by Pat Broderick. Colan then returned with 553 and stayed on until 567 which was guest-written by Harlen Ellison, but this brought an end to the cross-continuity.

Dave Toxik wrote:
Is it worth checking out?


I loved the run as long as Newton and Colan were the artists. There are some great stories in that run and you can see where they were the inspiration for many of the episodes of Batman TAS.


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 Post subject: 1980s BATMAN / DETECTIVE COMICS question
PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:23 am 
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Hmm, thanks guys. I was looking for something new to collect when I have my MASTER OF KUNG FU wrapped up... And this could be it!


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 Post subject: 1980s BATMAN / DETECTIVE COMICS question
PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:36 am 
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Dave Toxik wrote:
Hmm, thanks guys. I was looking for something new to collect when I have my MASTER OF KUNG FU wrapped up... And this could be it!


I would also recommend going back in Detective to Don Newton's original run with issue 483 with stories by Denny O'Neil. There is some really good Batman there.

In 485, for example, you get the murder of Kathy Kane, Batwoman and the introduction of the Bronze Tiger into the Batman universe.

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Newton was on fire then, giving what I think is the best Batman ever.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:42 am 
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Detective 503 is a great self-contained story, "9 Days of the Scarecrow." A lot of fun.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 2:33 pm 
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Damn but Newton was amazing. I can only imagine the body of work he could have built if he had lived.


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I look forward to getting to know his work more.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:29 am 
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Newton was great. And, yes, he died far too young.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:15 pm 
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Night Owl wrote:
Dave Toxik wrote:
Hmm, thanks guys. I was looking for something new to collect when I have my MASTER OF KUNG FU wrapped up... And this could be it!


I would also recommend going back in Detective to Don Newton's original run with issue 483 with stories by Denny O'Neil. There is some really good Batman there.

In 485, for example, you get the murder of Kathy Kane, Batwoman and the introduction of the Bronze Tiger into the Batman universe.

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Newton was on fire then, giving what I think is the best Batman ever.

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And Batgirl's run-in with the Cormorant. Silly as it sounds now, there was a time when I found that story inspirational.

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 Post subject: 1980s BATMAN / DETECTIVE COMICS question
PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 3:05 pm 
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Snagged the "Strange Apparitions" trade from a used book store yesterday. Just a couple of chapters in, but great stuff!

Wish the book contained the covers, though.


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Dave Toxik wrote:
Snagged the "Strange Apparitions" trade from a used book store yesterday. Just a couple of chapters in, but great stuff!

Wish the book contained the covers, though.

It's great! :) I wish Rogers had drawn the whole thing though.


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 Post subject: 1980s BATMAN / DETECTIVE COMICS question
PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:11 pm 
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Yeah, Milgrom did not do Simonson's work any favors.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:17 pm 
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I miss the gray and blue batsuit. Ah, the yellow oval.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:18 pm 
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I agree. At least we have the oval back with Batman, Inc., but I hate the rest of the new Batsuit.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:30 pm 
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By the way, Gebe Colan was eventually taken off Batman for Batman: Year One. Right before he asked us wehter we liked Frank Miller's Batman. Gene didn't like it. To him, it looked like the Hulk was the Batman.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:01 am 
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Who got the comic after Year One ended?


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:13 am 
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Dave Toxik wrote:
Snagged the "Strange Apparitions" trade from a used book store yesterday. Just a couple of chapters in, but great stuff!

Wish the book contained the covers, though.

Here ya go!

The star of the Rogers/Austin run
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:13 am 
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I just got my Marshal Rogers Batgirl sketch in the mail.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:16 am 
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Wow, great sketch!

And cool cover - thanks, Marcus!


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 Post subject: 1980s BATMAN / DETECTIVE COMICS question
PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:19 am 
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Oh, that cover is for the issue prior to the start of the trade :(

But I found all covers:

http://www.coverbrowser.com/covers/detective-comics/10


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