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Post subject: Marvel launching online subscriptions (Updated) Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:33 pm |
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Quote: According to the CBC, Marvel will make a big step towards embracing the internet as a distribution source for comics this week.
Marvel Publisher Dan Buckley hinted at it in February at the New York Comic-Con, and now it seems that it will become a reality as Marvel will reportedly make roughly 2,500 back issues available online starting tomorrow in a format that allows the comics to be viewed online only - through a browser. Downloads will not be available.
The article quotes Marvel's Buckley as saying, "You don't have that spinner rack of comic books sitting in the local five-and-dime any more. We don't have our product intersecting kids in their lifestyle space as much as we used to."
Marvel will offer memberships to view the comics - $9.99 a month or $4.99 a month, for an annual membership. In addition to the 2,500 initial comics, roughly 20 more will be released each week, ranging from early Marvel issues, such as the initial runs of Amazing Spider-Man to recent titles - House of M and Young Avengers were named as examples.
The story quotes store owner Michael Ring of Portland, OR who called Marvel's plan a "feeder system" noting that the plan will give people the "initial taste" of Marvel Comics and make them want to buy more.
http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=136075
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Post subject: Marvel launching online subscriptions (Updated) Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:39 pm |
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A good start, I wish them all the best, but there are some flaws that will prevent this from being the success it should be:
1) Browser only. One of the big draws of digital content is portability. If you're not letting people download the content, even if only on a subscription basis ala Napster and Yahoo Music Unlimited, you're making a mistake.
2) Price point. Ten bucks a month isn't terrible, but it's a few bucks higher than it needs to be. The library is a bit thin at the moment to jump on right away.
3) No single-comic fee. How about letting people download for a small fee? Look, the people who are going to pirate are doing it already ... so let me sample issues for 25 cents or half a buck rather than sign up for a full subscription. Right?
HOWEVER...
a) Adding 20 new comics a week is a great move. It will help build a library and keep people coming back.
b) Marvel has an excellent catalog. A year from now this could be a very attractive package
c) Despite some misgivings, kudos to Marvel for at least trying something. It's a great first step. Hopefully DC tries something to compete and they get into a price war, as happened with digital music.
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Post subject: Marvel launching online subscriptions (Updated) Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:45 pm |
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I think 10 bucks a month is a bit much, but $60 for a year balances that out, for me. They should allow some sort of preview so readers can test the format, and see what the selection is, but if those are acceptable, I'll sign up.
No downloads is the biggest stumbling block for me. I like being able to read comics on my laptop when I'm offline. One of the folks at Newsarama brought up the fear that if they allowed downloads, people would sign up for a month, download everything, then cancel their subscription, and that's a valid fear, so I don't really see a way around that.
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Post subject: Marvel launching online subscriptions (Updated) Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:10 pm |
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This program would force me to admit that the actual reading of the comics is one-tenth of the fun for me.
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Post subject: Marvel launching online subscriptions (Updated) Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:16 pm |
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YOU'LL PAY FOR THIS LINTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
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Post subject: Marvel launching online subscriptions (Updated) Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:17 pm |
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Post subject: Marvel launching online subscriptions (Updated) Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:22 pm |
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Poor Rob. He scooped Matt, but was ignored, and Linda got tyranty and shut him down. Dude never gets any respect.
My feelings echo Matt's and Taft's. I'm glad to see them moving in this direction, though the specifics aren't what I'd like. I'd probably pay $60 a year for this, at least initially, to support the move. And hope that competition will goad them to further improvements, specifically downloadability.
Matt wrote: One of the folks at Newsarama brought up the fear that if they allowed downloads, people would sign up for a month, download everything, then cancel their subscription, and that's a valid fear, so I don't really see a way around that.
Well one approach is to download them in encryped form, such they they can only be read by a special program you get from them. You'd then be paying license fees for use of the program. The program wouldn't have to be online all the time, but every few days, at least, you'd need to let it connect to the internet to check with a registry elsewhere to see if your license was valid. If not, the program would stop working until a valid license was paid for (or until you get an internet connection to demonstrate that the license was paid for). There are various ways that something like this could be reverse engineered and hacked, I expect, but it woudl at least discourage a lot of the more casual users from circumventing the system. And people who would use a hacked copy of the program can also just as well download torrents, after all. They're not going to be able to get a system that prevents all unpaid downloads - the goal is to get a system that at least provides a reasonable way for the more honest readers to get access to digital comics in a useful form, and thereby get at least some revenue from the digital comics. Probably a decent amount, I'd think.
Alternately, if they start including new comics in the digital stuff (perhaps at a different cost), then people will have an incentive to keep their subscriptions even after downloading vast amounts of old stuff. At least, for those people who like Marvel's newer stuff. Rumor has it that not everyone does.
Anyway, good to see them trying something new here, at least.
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Post subject: Marvel launching online subscriptions (Updated) Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:23 pm |
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Jim Yingst wrote: Poor Rob. He scooped Matt, but was ignored, and Linda got tyranty and shut him down. Dude never gets any respect..
Linda's tyranny is why I, kinda, left the internet forever.
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Post subject: Marvel launching online subscriptions (Updated) Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:24 pm |
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and not only that, in hero wero, I made matt aware of this.
and I get no credit.
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Post subject: Marvel launching online subscriptions (Updated) Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:27 pm |
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Then too, the necessity of being online to read something will be less and less of a barrier over time, as wireless internet becomes more and more ubiquitous. There's already a significant number of readers with near-constant internet access, at least in the vast majority of places they'd like to read comics. And that number will just continue to increase, I think. Yeah, it sucks if your current laptop doesn't have a wireless connection, or if you're in a town where wireless is rare. But from Marvel's perspective, those problems will go away with time, and requiring an online connection for reading may not be a bad strategy for them overall. Sorry Matt.
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Post subject: Marvel launching online subscriptions (Updated) Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:28 pm |
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Post subject: Marvel launching online subscriptions (Updated) Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:28 pm |
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Rob Steinbrenner wrote: Jim Yingst wrote: Poor Rob. He scooped Matt, but was ignored, and Linda got tyranty and shut him down. Dude never gets any respect.. Linda's tyranny is why I, kinda, left the internet forever.
Which, admittedly, would carry more weight if you weren't here telling us this in person. 
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Post subject: Marvel launching online subscriptions (Updated) Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:29 pm |
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Jim Yingst wrote: Then too, the necessity of being online to read something will be less and less of a barrier over time, as wireless internet becomes more and more ubiquitous. There's already a significant number of readers with near-constant internet access, at least in the vast majority of places they'd like to read comics. And that number will just continue to increase, I think. Yeah, it sucks if your current laptop doesn't have a wireless connection, or if you're in a town where wireless is rare. But from Marvel's perspective, those problems will go away with time, and requiring an online connection for reading may not be a bad strategy for them overall. Sorry Matt. No! Marvel must do this exactly the way I want!!
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Post subject: Marvel launching online subscriptions (Updated) Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:37 pm |
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Jim Yingst wrote: Rob Steinbrenner wrote: Jim Yingst wrote: Poor Rob. He scooped Matt, but was ignored, and Linda got tyranty and shut him down. Dude never gets any respect.. Linda's tyranny is why I, kinda, left the internet forever. Which, admittedly, would carry more weight if you weren't here telling us this in person. 
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Post subject: Marvel launching online subscriptions (Updated) Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:53 pm |
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Monk wrote: One of the folks at Newsarama brought up the fear that if they allowed downloads, people would sign up for a month, download everything, then cancel their subscription, and that's a valid fear, so I don't really see a way around that. A valid concern, but I'm not sure I'm on board with how Marvel is addressing it. For instance, people may be able to do that anyway simply by capturing the images Marvel provides, depending on how they provide the content. Jim talks about viable licensing models. This is already done in the world of music. The music is yours for as long as you "rent" it, after which -- POOF! -- it's gone. Was this avenue closed to them? Not sure if this is available for PDFs, so they may have had to invent their own code for this ... which means it wasn't going to happen. Naturally the fear of piracy has lead to some of the decisions made here, but I'd argue that those who would pirate are doing do already. If you want to entice new, honest customers who want to GIVE YOU MONEY, you need to make the system as painless and as flexible as possible. Adding 20 issues a week will help to address some of this, anyway, since that person signing up for a month and downloading everything will be hundreds of issues short in just a few months. But still ... no downloads is a rough edge that will be hard to overlook.
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Post subject: Marvel launching online subscriptions (Updated) Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:09 pm |
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Eric W.H. Taft wrote: I'd argue that those who would pirate are doing do already. If you want to entice new, honest customers who want to GIVE YOU MONEY, you need to make the system as painless and as flexible as possible.
Yes, ALL media outlets need to understand this. Computer software, movies, music, you name it. The only thing your copy protection and DRM does is cause issues for legitimate consumers. The pirate you're worried about? He already figured out how to bypass all your work, in about 15 minutes. Stop penalizing the regular Joe who just wants his stuff to play/work.
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Post subject: Marvel launching online subscriptions (Updated) Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:09 pm |
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Unsurprisingly I agree with Jim Y. Look, this has to start somewhere ~ I'm sure the initial implementation will be too slow, too cumbersome, too expensive and generally too st00pid ~ Quesada isn't exactly a visionary, you know. But taking this first step is important, this at least brings the potential to work well "one day". The alternative would be to keep futzing around with outmoded business models ("We must get comics back on the newsstands!") which have little hope of roping in the Internet and videogame generations that Marvel (and DC) need to ensure the longterm future of their comic books.
Marvel deserves a little credit for attempting this and I wish them very good luck with it.
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Post subject: Marvel launching online subscriptions (Updated) Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:36 pm |
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Well, looks like someone jumped the gun.
Quote: According to a representative of Marvel, the story published Monday afternoon at the CBC website about the publisher launching an online comics initiative (hinted at by Marvel Publisher Dan Buckley at the New York Comic-Con last February), "was filled with wild inaccuracies" in its details. As such, Newsarama has removed the story.
Reportedly, the official, more accurate story will be released late tonight/early tomorrow. Check back for the corrected story sometime overnight.
http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Online/MarvelOnlinea.html
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Post subject: Marvel launching online subscriptions (Updated) Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:38 pm |
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Quote: In a story published at USA Today.com Monday evening, the apparently official word of Marvel’s new online publishing initiative (hinted at by Marvel Publisher Dan Buckley at the New York Comic-Con last February) has been revealed.
Called the comic book industry’s “first online archive of more than 2,500 back issues, including the first appearances of Spider-Man, the X-Men and the Incredible Hulk.”, Marvel Digital Comics Unlimited will offer the archive in a high-resolution format on computer screens for $59.88 a year, or at a monthly rate of $9.99, at Marvel’s website.
According to the national daily, “Subscribers will be able to access the first hundred issues of key titles, turn pages with a click of the mouse or navigate a battle against Dr. Doom frame-by-frame with a ‘Smart Panel’ viewing feature. The user can zoom in on details of art by Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko from the 1960s or catch up with today's The Ultimates and New Avengers.
"We did not want to get caught flat-footed with kids these days who have the tech that allows them to read comics in a digital format," Marvel President Dan Buckley, told the publication. "Our fan base is already on the Internet. It seemed like a natural way to go."
To help market the initiative, To Marvel will reportedly offer a free sampler of 250 titles, and to protect current sales of comic books, new issues won't be on the Marvel site until six months after they are published.
Asked why people would pay for superheroes when newspaper websites have been unable to charge for content, Buckley said, "You can get the news anywhere. We're the only ones who have Spider-Man."
"If they put their monthly comic online at the same time, they'd be cutting their own throats and undercutting the retailers," writer Peter David told USA Today. "The material is owned by Marvel, and they can do whatever they want with it. This is just another means of reprint when you come down to it."
"About 90% of the comic books sold today are scanned and put online within 36 hours," Newsarama’s own Chris Arrant is quoted in the story.
"Our quality is much higher; the library is huge and will never go out of style," concluded Marvel Editor-in-Chief Joe Quesada. "This is the legal way to do things."
News of the new Marvel initiative began appearing online Monday afternoon, via an AP wire story and sources like the CBC.com website, prompting Marvel Comics to request any version of the story citing the AP or CBC be removed from websites due to the CBC version in particular being “filled with inaccuracies.” It is not immediately apparent what was inaccurate about the CBC version of the story.
Look for more details as they become available.
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Post subject: Marvel launching online subscriptions (Updated) Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:18 am |
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Monk wrote: Quote: According to the CBC, Marvel will make a big step towards embracing the internet as a distribution source for comics this week.
Marvel Publisher Dan Buckley hinted at it in February at the New York Comic-Con, and now it seems that it will become a reality as Marvel will reportedly make roughly 2,500 back issues available online starting tomorrow in a format that allows the comics to be viewed online only - through a browser. Downloads will not be available.
The article quotes Marvel's Buckley as saying, "You don't have that spinner rack of comic books sitting in the local five-and-dime any more. We don't have our product intersecting kids in their lifestyle space as much as we used to."
Marvel will offer memberships to view the comics - $9.99 a month or $4.99 a month, for an annual membership. In addition to the 2,500 initial comics, roughly 20 more will be released each week, ranging from early Marvel issues, such as the initial runs of Amazing Spider-Man to recent titles - House of M and Young Avengers were named as examples.
The story quotes store owner Michael Ring of Portland, OR who called Marvel's plan a "feeder system" noting that the plan will give people the "initial taste" of Marvel Comics and make them want to buy more. http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=136075
Holy crap! I am so in.
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Post subject: Marvel launching online subscriptions (Updated) Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:23 am |
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Insert comment about "if news reporters can't bother to get details about who publishes Wonder Woman right, how can we expect they're getting anything right?"
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Post subject: Marvel launching online subscriptions (Updated) Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:26 am |
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