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I mean, I get the point he's trying to make, I think ... but why the hell did he decide to make it in the first place? What prompted him to make that leap?

You must be anti-Guggenheim.

What would he say to the (presumably large) number of people who would say "Yes, I'm pro-gay marriage and I hate One More Day?"

Guggenheim was an IMANKer. I wonder if he can pile in on this?

These BND defenders are getting to be whackos themselves.

He's writing it. Good. He likes it.

I don't. He's not convincing me. He will never convince me. "It all really happened they just were never married" is (1) impossible to reconcile with past stories and (2)misses the point and (3) a way to say "We changed nothing" when they changed everything.

Then you are for gay marriage.

It almost pains me to see Rob go through this. Almost.

Also, how does "they dated and lived together but weren't married" make Harry alive again

It is true. I am. But I am not marching in the streets for it *shrugs*

That's what happens when you read Marvel. You vicariously support social causes.

Reading Thor = pro-undocumented illegal aliens.

New York State doesn't recognize Civil Unions or even have it in the law, so Peter and Mary Jane couldn't have been in a Civil Union all those years.

So they were living in sin?

I don't understand whatb Guggenheim is saying. Does this mean Wolverine was never a member of the New Fantastic Four?

I don't get it either. Do straight people even get civil unions? What is the point?

If Wolverine was never a member of the New Fantastic Four you believe 9-11 was an inside job.

One More Gay?

WHY THE HECK IS HARRY ALIVE?????????????????????????????

It's magic, we don't have to explain it.
-Joe Quesada

JMS: "So what does Mephisto do?" I ask.

Marvel: "He makes everybody forget Peter's Spider-Man."

"Uh, huh. So Aunt May's still in the hospital --"

"No, he saves Aunt May."

"But if all he does is save her life and make everybody forget he's Spidey, she still has a scar on her midsection."

"No, he makes that go away too."

"Okay...:

"Then he wakes up in her house."

"The house that was burned down?"

"Right."

"But how --"

"Mephisto undoes that as well."

"Okay. And the guys who shot at Peter and May and were killed, they're alive too? Mephisto can bring guys back from the dead?"

"It's all part of the spell."

"And Doc Strange can't tell?"

"No,"

"And the newspaper articles? News footage?"

"Joe, it's been forgotten."

"I'm just asking is that stuff there or not there?"

"Not there. And Peter's web shooters are back."

"Is this the same spell or a different spell?"

"Same spell."

"How does making people forget he's Spidey bring back his web shooters?"

"It's magic, okay?"

"I see. And Harry's back."

"Right."

"And Mephisto does this too."

"Yep."

"So is Harry back from the dead, or has he been alive? If they ask him, hey Harry, what did you do last summer, will he remember? And the year before? And the year before? If he says they all went on a picnic two years ago, will they remember it?"

"It's --"

"Because if he now has a life he remembers, if he's not back from the dead, then you've changed the continuity you said you didn't want to change. Those are your only options: he was brought back from the dead, and there's a grave, and people remember him dying --"

"Mephisto changes THEIR memories too."

"-- or he's effectively been alive as far as our characters know, so he's been alive all along, so either way as far as our characters are concerned, continuity's been violated going back to 1971.

How do you explain that?"

"It's magic, we don't have to explain it."

How the heck did Norman Osborn ever come back to life? Aunt May?

Marc G. is a good writer..but that is one bad analogy.

IAWTP

Explained.

Norman never died, he healed and hid.

Aunt May was an actress made to look like her.

MJ and Peter agree to give up their marriage and...


Harry's alive? Spidey has webshooters? His old house is re-created?

Mephisto. Always throwing in bonuses.

But what about Gwen, Mephisto, what about Gwen?

and what about all the times they mourned or referenced Harry, Guggenheim? How does Civil Union cover that?