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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 3:12 pm 
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Geoff Johns and JG Jones will team next year to start off All Star Batgirl, starring Barbara Gordon.


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GJ: It is. It’s kind of liberating, and at the same time, I want to use all the toys in the Batman universe, and so does JG – she’s going to be Commissioner Gordon’s daughter, she’s going to have the long red hair and a sense of humor, she’s going to have all sorts of tricks that Batman doesn’t have. And we’re going to have a lot of fun playing with the relationship between Dick and Barbara – that relationship is going to be very different than what people are used to. Her origins, however, will be different.

NRAMA: Given that this is the iconic interpretation of Barbara as Batgirl, she’s doing this because she can, and it will be fun, right?

GJ: That’s a lot of it, but there’s more to her motivation than that. Why does she need this outlet of fun? What is happening in Gotham and in Batman’s world that requires a need for Batgirl? There's a mystery that involves her that she has to solve.

NRAMA: But what’s at the root of her doing it? What’s the motivation to do this, frankly, rather risky thing?

GJ: It has a lot to do with her having a father who’s obsessed with Batman, who turns on a big signal and talks to him on the roof. A dad who now comes home in the morning, because he’s been fighting costumed maniacs with Batman all night. Her trophies from Junior High and High School have been moved off the mantle and a mock up of Batman’s utility belt is there as an ongoing problem and challenge for Gordon to try
and figure out how it works.

Our story is going to about a girl who is in the shadow of Batman in a lot of different ways, and trying to come out of it.

NRAMA: And becoming Batgirl is, in a way, her means of connecting with and talking to her father…

GJ: In a way. She’s able to finally connect with him on a level he hasn’t been able to since her mom died. And all of this will be tempered against how Batman reacts and how Robin reacts to her, not to mention how the Scarecrow and Joker and the other villains react. We’ve also got some unique takes on supporting cast as well.

We’re shooting for something like Allan and Terry’s Wonder Woman in tone. Exciting, fun but focused on character. That’s one of my favorite books out there right now.

NRAMA: Will she have any key villains tied to her or her origin? Back in the day, it seemed like Killer Moth always gravitated toward her for better or – usually – worse.

GJ: We’re probably going to steer clear of Killer Moth, because they did Batgirl: Year One, which focused on him a lot. Plus I’d rather see JG draw Poison Ivy and Clayface.


http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=82819

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 Post subject: All-star Batgirl-new series with Barbara Gordon
PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 3:14 pm 
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Geoff Johns is a good writer. I think Linda is going to be very happy!

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GJ: We’ve talked for years about finding something that would be really fun to do. We’re aiming to tell the best action mystery adventure story we can about how and why Barbara Gordon becomes Batgirl.

By completely missing the hows and whys.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 3:54 pm 
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GJ: We’ve talked for years about finding something that would be really fun to do. We’re aiming to tell the best action mystery adventure story we can about how and why Barbara Gordon becomes Batgirl.

By completely missing the hows and whys.


Well....could just the whens, whats, and wheres do? :o

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This is going to be fun for me because I can say "fan" with quotes around it over and over every time it's discussed at IMWAN.

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Linda wrote:
This is going to be fun for me because I can say "fan" with quotes around it over and over every time it's discussed at IMWAN.


But I thought you were a Batgirl fan. Now you're just a "fan"? :o

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What ever happened to Linda's optimism?

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This is going to be fun for me because I can say "fan" with quotes around it over and over every time it's discussed at IMWAN.


But I thought you were a Batgirl fan. Now you're just a "fan"? :o

You're misunderstanding me. This is an opportunity for us to do what we never get to do at IMWAN, to bludgeon people with our personal tastes and call them "fans" with quotes around it and ban Hugh Cherry for liking this "abomination" and accuse Dan Sehane of destroying childhood for several generations yet to be born. All because they might be interested in this comic book.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 4:41 pm 
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Darin wrote:
What ever happened to Linda's optimism?

For comic books? My optimism stopped in 1969. :) Don't be silly!

This might be pretty good, taken on its own merits. Batgirl Year One was pretty good even though it also changed fundamental motivations of the character (oddly, also while the writer professed his great love for the original Batgirl stories then proceeded to get an awful lot wrong ... sense a pattern here with these people?). So why couldn't this be a good read too? No reason. Geoff writes well, he's got lot of good ideas. Maybe he can do something cool with it in his own way. It's not like this is being done by Gail Simone, you know?

But to say that this revisionist garbage will make me happy ... that's just cruel. I'm banning Eddie's foot.

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 Post subject: All-star Batgirl-new series with Barbara Gordon
PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 4:46 pm 
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I wonder if there is even a market for this?

Ultimate line has been handled pretty well-except for a miststep here or there, the main books have been top sellers becayuse they have kept it limited to big characters/creators.

Batgirl may not have that sort of populatiry-and these guys are just staying for a short time I believe.

I wonder too which line has the right idea-the Ultimate line, where it is basivcally another universe/continuity, or the All-Star line, where is Superman shows up in Batman or Batgirl books, it isn't the same Superman as each other, or All Star Supes.

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 Post subject: All-star Batgirl-new series with Barbara Gordon
PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 5:31 pm 
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All-Star Batgirl is going to be aimed square at the people who want Babs back and will never get it in regular continuity.

I have no idea how good or bad this is going to be because this is going to be Johns' take on the character made from whole cloth. I doubt Geoff even knows what he's going to be doing with her since this is the book to fill the space left over when he's finished with 52.


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SHEEEE'S BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!!!!!!!!!!
Cool :)
And Geof Jones is a good writer & JG Jones a good artist.

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 Post subject: All-star Batgirl-new series with Barbara Gordon
PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:33 pm 
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I just saw a sneak peek to the script to issue # 1:


Page 11:

Cut in close on Batgirl as she stands over a street thug

"Are you obtuse? Are you you mentally challenged? I'm the mother-fucking Batgirl!!"



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Ooooooo....edgy. :)


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I am SO buying that!

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 11:44 pm 
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Linda wrote:
Darin wrote:
What ever happened to Linda's optimism?

For comic books? My optimism stopped in 1969. :) Don't be silly!

This might be pretty good, taken on its own merits. Batgirl Year One was pretty good even though it also changed fundamental motivations of the character (oddly, also while the writer professed his great love for the original Batgirl stories then proceeded to get an awful lot wrong ... sense a pattern here with these people?).


Perhaps the writer had an editorial mandate...

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Perhaps the writers are full of shit? If I had a nickel for every interview I've read where a comic book writer professes his GREAT BIG LOVE for a certain character, or a certain era, then proceeds to do a book which gets fundamental things about the character completely wrong in such a way that it's clear s/he either wasn't reading the same stories we were or just plain didn't "get" them ...

DC can do whatever they want, as can the writers, but please, spare us the "I have SUCH GREAT BIG LOVE for such and such" statements that are immediately followed in the same breath with "That's why I'm going to change this and that ..." Could they do that just once? Just for the novelty of it? :) Probably not.

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What does it seem like they are or will be changing? Or in others, what is Batgirl's secret origin?

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How long till we get a script excerpt calling for an "ASS SHOT" of Barbara? Hey, she can walk now - might as well show it off!


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What does it seem like they are or will be changing? Or in others, what is Batgirl's secret origin?


Read along and I'll show you what bugs me about this interview ...

Geoff Johns wrote:
... she’s going to be Commissioner Gordon’s daughter, she’s going to have the long red hair and a sense of humor, she’s going to have all sorts of tricks that Batman doesn’t have.

This stuff is more or less right.

I'm afraid what they consider "long" hair, though. Barbara Gordon slowly started to become Medusa in the 1970s and never really came back from that. :oops:

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And we’re going to have a lot of fun playing with the relationship between Dick and Barbara – that relationship is going to be very different than what people are used to. Her origins, however, will be different.

That's fine as long as he's saying it outright. Batgirl Year One set her up differently too, but Dixon claimed it was a straight line update. It wasn't.

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NRAMA: Given that this is the iconic interpretation of Barbara as Batgirl, she’s doing this because she can, and it will be fun, right?

GJ: That’s a lot of it, but there’s more to her motivation than that. Why does she need this outlet of fun? What is happening in Gotham and in Batman’s world that requires a need for Batgirl? There's a mystery that involves her that she has to solve.

She doesn't create the Batgirl persona because of any external need, it's pure self-actualisation. This is Geoff shoving the character into the standard "Superheroes exist because there are things only they can take care of to make the world a better place" box, and it misses the point. He's either overthinking it or playing into some fanboi need ~ let me say "fan" with quotes around it 'cos I promised I would in this thread :) ~ which requires everything to be explained and have some sort of noble principles behind it. But Batgirl is about as self-directed and ignoble an origin as a superhero can have short of starting as a villain and then turning good.

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It has a lot to do with her having a father who’s obsessed with Batman, who turns on a big signal and talks to him on the roof. A dad who now comes home in the morning, because he’s been fighting costumed maniacs with Batman all night. Her trophies from Junior High and High School have been moved off the mantle and a mock up of Batman’s utility belt is there as an ongoing problem and challenge for Gordon to try and figure out how it works.

Our story is going to about a girl who is in the shadow of Batman in a lot of different ways, and trying to come out of it.

This is completely and totally wrong.

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NRAMA: And becoming Batgirl is, in a way, her means of connecting with and talking to her father…

GJ: In a way. She’s able to finally connect with him on a level he hasn’t been able to since her mom died.

Again, wrong.

Now, had he just stuck with what he said near the beginning of the interview about this being a different take on the character's beginnings, that would have been okay. You know, then it's just a new story and it'll strike some readers as good and some as bad ... it can be judged on its own merits without the historical baggage. But the rest of the interview is him playing back into the "All-Star line features DC's characters in their iconic states" claim which Didio originally introduced the All-Star concept with, and which was proven to be, shall we say, somewhat less than a strict rule the minute Frank Miller's All-Star Goddamn Batman was published. The interviewer basically asks, "She's supposed to be iconic here, right?" and Geoff basically answers "Yes, she is, but she won't be." :lol:

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But to say that this revisionist garbage will make me happy ... that's just cruel. I'm banning Eddie's foot.

I assume you mean this one?

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Mike Nebeker wrote:
All-Star Batgirl is going to be aimed square at the people who want Babs back and will never get it in regular continuity.


Exactly. The only thing I would quibble with you about is the "never." For a while it looked like Kara Zor-El would "never" come back as Supergirl and Hal Jordan would "never" come back as Green Lantern. The only reason Babs has not gotten out of that damn wheelchair and put on the Batgirl suit is the popularity of Birds of Prey. If that book were ever to get cancelled, I think we would see a Babs Gordon Batgirl back in the regular DCU very soon. This way, DC gets to have their cake and eat it too...

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